Top 5 Things About Porn That PISS ME OFF! (Discussion/RANT Thread) What Are YOURS?

@TheWorstBelmont

Hey thx for reading this long azz post lol I'm actually thinking about a Part 2 to this, cuz there's a LEAST 10 more things I can add to it, so you should definitely post one too if you have the time. In response to things you hate about porn:

#1 Yeah porn can have some TERRIBLE editing and framing of scenes at key times. My dream job is actually to be a porn editor some day just because I know I'm better at it than about 80% of the ppl in the industry RIGHT NOW lol

#2 I'm split on fake cum. If it's used in a male/female scene, then what the holy hell is the point? But I've seen girl/girl scenes where one has a strapon, and at the end she blows a huge (fake) load on the other girl's face...and it's kinda hot lol

#3 Mislabeling scenes is a BIG problem when it comes to anal scenes specifically. Clowns love to reupload old scenes with titles "Jenna Jameson's 1st Anal Scene!" and like a fool you watch the entire scene, and of course there's no anal -_- lol

@ThrillOfTheHunt

Yeah pretty much ANY scene featuring a MILF these days will at some point be reuploaded as "Mom Sucks off Son" or "Daughter Eats Out Mom" just to get more clicks and views from "curious" viewers, so I don't even give the uploader the satisfaction of even watching them.

As for OF, yeah, I never would pretend to be so naïve that I don't know how awful the mainstream porn studios treat their performers, and that OF is definitely a step up for them. But as stated in my original post...I'm SELFISH, so it was written purely in the POV of how it effects ME lol However, I agree that most of the blame lays not with OF, but with porn studios' failure to RESPOND to OF. You would think if their best performers no longer wanna shoot with them because of how much more money they make doing OF, then they'd have to respond to that in some way, but they haven't. Why? It's because they see these women as the same thing they have always seen them as, an easily replaceable commodity. For every performer that's stop shooting for them because of OF, there's 50 broke, fresh-faced 18yo's hopping off a bus from Hicksville, USA that are willing to do everything the previous performers would do, (and MORE), but for a 3rd of the asking price, so porn studios don't see OF as an issue at all. At least not yet.

#5 is just a curiosity to me. I just wonder about it, but I don't know if I have a real opinion on it. I do know that sometimes there's an actress out there with the perfect ass for anal scenes who, for some reason, refuses to do those kinds of scenes. Then again, the opposite is true sometimes, where a star has a beautiful pussy, but all her quality scenes seem to be anal.

#4 - Anal gapes are just disgusting most of the time, and I don't know anyone who likes them. I mean, the idea is supposed to be that she has a tight ass, right? Why blow it out and show it off? Ugh, and that prolapse shit!? What the fuck is up with that!?!?

#3 - 100% on that! There's a reason female pornstars are paid more (excluding gay porn.) We're here for her, not for him. Don't get me wrong, some of the dudes seem like they might be cool irl or something but, again, we're not here for them. At BEST that shit's a distracting nuisance, but typically, it makes a scene unwatchable.

#2 - I don't have any problem with feet. I think if you clean your feet, their fair game. I also don't have a preoccupation with feet and I don't understand the fetish AT ALL. I have seen a lot of beautiful women in scenes that were focused on feet, however...

#1 - OnlyFans is the craigslist of porn. There are a lot of beautiful women on there, but a lot of busted ones, too. I never understood simping, and you can always find leaks to that stuff anyway if you really want to watch it. It's at least as manipulative as the wider porn industry, just in a different way. Also, let's not pretend it has anything to do with empowerment, ok?

Great post!

Here's some of mine for the convo:

#1 - Editing out the actress' climaxes.

My favorite thing during a porn scene (and intercourse, as well) is watching a beautiful woman cum authentically. There are some actresses that are known for it, and they are almost always my favorites (Mihina Nagai, Camryn Chanel, Penny Flame, etc.) So, when I see a scene where, for some fucked up reason, the editor cuts out or pan away from or in any other way downplays the orgasm, I find the scene impossible to watch. It's like anticipation, anticipation, anticpation......jump cut!

#2 - Fake cum?

What the fuck is that about? I can see what you're doing! If you're not going to craft an authentic experience, then why do it at all?

#3 - Mislabeling scenes.

Don't tell me I'm watching a deepthroat scene when it's not a deepthroat scene. A deepthroat is IN THE THROAT. If it's just hitting the back of the throat, then it's not a deepthroat. Don't call it that. Don't call an actress blonde if she ISN'T BLONDE! Blondes have fair or yellow hair. Don't say it's a creampie scene if there's no creampie. Get what I'm saying?

I could probably run a bunch more if I sat an thought more about it but then I'd have to write my own article ha ha

Good post, man!

i'm with you on #4 and #2, mate. if i see something even vaguely approaching foot worship, i'm out. either the entire scene is ruined for me or at the very least, i'm finding a better part to skip to. I really don't want to see some dude sucking on a woman's toes. It makes me want to laugh more than anything lol.

and i have no idea what's the deal with gapes in general. like okay i didn't know we were taking a human anatomy detour during this scene. i'm glad i'm not alone on that one, truly. I know there are people out there who also don't care about foot stuff, but with how commonplace gaping in scenes seems to be, i was beginning to wonder if i was the only one.

let me add to your list my own point: incest porn in general. I feel like I shouldn't have to explain myself here (one word summary: unappealing), so instead, I'll get a little more specific with my gripe: "incest porn" where the only incest that occurs is in the title. I don't have a good example off the top of my head, but it's when a totally normal/vanilla/whatever-you-wanna-call-it scene gets converted to incest porn by being re-uploaded to a tube site and given a "mom sucks and fucks son" type incest-baiting title.

My issue here is pretty simple: who tf does this appeal to? People seeking incest porn will be disappointed because there's no incest being acted out--it's just a normal porn scene. People who dislike incest porn won't be bothered to click on the video. SO who's it for?!

OH, and if I may be so bold as to offer a counterpoint to your OnlyFans hate, I have heard enough anecdotes from stars to know that there are plenty of bad actors in the industry and that the industry culture could stand to improve. Lest we forget, stars are people, too. I want people to be happy above all else, so the more stars who flock to OF to escape the bad actors of the porn industry, the better. I'm not saying I want the industry to die--far from it--but what I am saying is that blaming OF for the industry exodus is a bit like blaming your body's immune system for having a runny nose: there's an underlying issue that needs to be addressed, and the wrong thing is taking the brunt of the hate.

Maybe that's just me, and I freely admit to playing a bit of devil's advocate there. Still, something worth pointing out.

@dhuang323

Absolutely. That goes side by side with my #4. Male pornstars are mostly complete idiots who get by on their big slongs, but have no clue how to really satisfy a woman, which is why they do things like that to ruin great scenes -_-

When the actress (usually amateur) says don't stop/i'm about to cum and the dude just stops or changes position. BRO you're a pro, just send her over the edge and wreck her.

@zenbud2

Yeah, I'm definitely a huge fan of gonzo. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that style of filming scenes didn't really popoff majorly until the mid 2000s. I remember most of the DVDs I bought before 2005 were Features, while most I bought after were Gonzo, usually with Mike's face about 3 inches away from the damn camera at all times. Those were hot...yet terrifying times.

I can take a little bit of exaggerations in my porn to spice things up every once in a while, but I definitely have a limit, so I agree that more laid back form of porn really started with cam girls. There's some fake things here and there, but they generally outclass their studio counterparts at almost every turn, mostly because they are more "real". Hell, occasional eye rolling absolutely drives me nuts, but my problem with someone like Kenzie is that she does the whole eye rolling, mouth wide open with shock and amazement look throughout the entire scene, and lets just be real, nobody's peen is that good Kenzie, so cut it out. But when she's more stripped back, she can be very good. What's funny is that I just went on her Twitter to check out that wig you said she was wearing now, and saw her posted tweet about how she was now engaged. So...I was literally gonna say it appears we have lost another major performer to OF, because there's no way her future hubby is gonna let her continue to film studio scenes with other dudes, but before I could ever type out the damn sentence, I saw THIS tweet from her:

"I’m not shooting for companies officially. But we will be shooting on our onlyfans all our adventures together full time ❤️"

Ah yes, there it is. The swift, firm kick to the dick. Even when it's expected, it still hurts like hell, no? Now I hope everyone sees that when I say OF will destroy the porn industry, that it isn't hyperbole on my part. If you love a performer right now and enjoy her studio scenes, just know that she is counting down the months, days, hours and even seconds until she can ditch the studios and set up an OF so she can drain every single dime from your pocket while giving you virtually nothing of substance in return. Ladies and gentleman, welcome to porn in 2023 and...beyond

@ReverseOminosity

Thx a lot. Feel free to post anything about porn that you want to see improved, if you have any :)

You're talking about Gonzo style porn. Gonzo was litty. Depending on who's filming, it's the hottest form of porn. A 21 yo Valentina Nappi did an interview talking about how she hates scenes where they pretend to be different people. She just wanted to get down to the fucking.

I don't like exaggerations in porn, generally. I definitely don't like fake faces, lips, fake butts, fake moans, etc. I have exceptions for most things, besides those I listed. Kenzie Reeves was great until she cut her hair off and started wearing a wig. I remember the exact scene with J Mac and I couldn't focus bc I suddenly noticed that she was mostly extensions and I could see the hair snapped to her black natural hair and I thought about why she'd need them and if so, why do they look so obvious? Then I started thinking about mental health and clearly that and getting off don't go hand in hand.

It's just that we get into the repetition argument where everyone sees the successful thing and then every studio is doing it. It started with cam models, I'm willing to bet on that, and then porn studios picked it up, and then OF performers saw one of the two previous and took from that as well. BlackedRaw gave way to TushyRaw gave way to Vogov. And they're better than OF. No one would argue otherwise. Somewhere along the way, though, it stopped being interesting. I've watched TONS of Mike Adriano porn but then he got into sticking food in women's asses (cake, Cup cakes, etc.), at which point I said I'd check back in when he'd, "Stepped back from the brink," and when he got over that I lost what I found so interesting in the first place.

Not seeing faces is why this site exists. Who was that random thick ass dropping it on Mike Adriano in that one scene? I remember the Uma Jolie scene and how Mike made an exception and had her face in most shots (https://www.eporner.com/video-3jA4Dy66SDD/uma-jolie/, as an aside, IDK how many times I've seen this scene and wanted it again, just in case where ever I had it was corrupted, lost; was no longer available). That's definitely a rarity. That's on the audience. I think ppl really like informalizing bodies. We're not as comfortable with actual performers and the concept of if they're enjoying themselves. That's where the fake moaning thing comes into play. Some of us have never heard actual moaning IRL so we can't differentiate between that and the blank looked "Oh yea, sigh, give it to me daddy," that makes some porn unwatchable. A sexually engaged shit talker is untouchable, but her fake counterpart makes you second guess those who come to it more naturally, like Zoe Bloom. Does she mean it? Does she even like those she performs with? Or is it what she subjects herself to so she can have a comfortable life and more free time than the average worker of her age? These questions don't arise if you can't see the difference bc you have no personal experience. One of the things ppl get from OF, again, is what they get from cam couples. They see real emotions; real pain, intimacy, affection, lust.; organic moments.

Informality: Cam girls/couples can partially be blamed for that, bc that's where the nofacegirl cumming with her cream everywhere thing started, but it's the audience in some cases who didn't like what the girl looked like or wanted them to try out a new position that made them popular; positions come to naturally or to be secret or to pretend to care about secrecy or shamed into it by the audience. I remember one Russian girl with the thickest split tail I've ever seen, and the audience literally gagged when they saw her face and 75% left the room immediately and those who stayed talked about how disgusted they were. Needless to say, that's one of the last times you saw her face on cam.

This made me laugh and I agree with these things that you have listed.

@zenbud2

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that I'm in the minority when it comes to not liking overly-exaggerated things in my porn. Faces, moans, body parts (big fake asses, lips, boobs, cheeks, etc) or even sex positions just turn me off. Believe it or not (before Onlyfans ruined the experience) I used to prefer stripped back porn as opposed to the more glitz and glamour of studio porn. Those back-to-basics scenes just seemed far more real to me, like the performers were actually enjoying each other, rather than just enjoying the paycheck they get from being there, so less will always be more in my book. That's why I actually prefer Tushy Raw to the original Tushy. No storylines, no exotic locations, and no BS. Just ppl in a hotel room banging. In that sense, It actually was doing the whole OF style of filming it's scenes before OF really became popular, complete with even the occasional vertical phone clip. But obviously what puts them above OF is that both the performers are professionals, as opposed to OF where guy the girl is performing with usually sucks at actual preforming. lol Of course that's not in every case as with the OFs you've mentioned, and a clear bucking of this rule is Dredd. He's a gifted performer, (no doubt due to him being a mutant and using his 3rd leg as penis), so I will admit that his OF is a much watch. Can't say I'm a huge fan of the up close and personal camera angles either, but as long as the female's FACE is in the shot, (which I know, is rare) I can mostly tolerate it from Dredd and Mike.

I'm not sure I'm against the unrealistic surprise face. August Ames' surprise faces were the best. I don't know if I'd characterize them as "realistic," but they were entertaining. I'm fairly sure that's an entire echelon of porn: "OMG, I had no idea it was going to be that big."

The only fake thing in porn that takes me out of a scene are fake butts. It's why I could never get on the Aletta Ocean wave. She's fake sexy, but the butt was a step too far. I saw that the fandom recently got obsessed with her again, calling her a plastic goddess, but she was always meh to me bc of the butt. I didn't know Mia Malkova had a fake butt, or perhaps I did and tried to distance myself from it so I wouldn't have to stop checking out her stuff. It seems more obvious now, somehow. I justified it at the time by saying it wasn't impossible for a slim hipped woman to have such a large ass, but I forgot what made it clear, but it's clear to me now. I almost feel as strongly about fake butts as you do about OF.

Of course money is the key factor, ultimately. I was just saying it's a cushy experience generally. They can fuck their significant others at home without putting make up on. You can see what she looks like when she actually gives a fuck about the person she's sleeping with, something you've likely never seen before. And you can find out she's an insufferable asshole who needn't absorb your time. Revelations abound.

I'm not as cynical. Some OF's go off. Dredd's OF is litty, but he learned all the wrong lessons from Mike Adriano and he's starting to adopt the half an inch away from the action camera distance that renders the women vague and interchangeable. Sofia Simens' OF is kind of amazing, similarly for Aries Steele, a Korean girl with a monster cocked boyfriend (it might be his name, actually. Her name is Kaya I believe). And this place IS a godsend. Almost every question I've had about unknown, or nearly no info in the world, stars I've had has been answered, and I wonder if I wouldn't have been happier if I'd never gotten them. As in, won't the memories fade now that I have my answers and years later I'll find a file randomly and say, "Yet, I remember I used to think about this one all the time." Almost like what drives the protagonist in Momento?

@zenbud2

Ah yes, I recall that Agatha scene shot in front of the Eiffel tower. See what I mean about how Tushy goes all out when they want to? And I'm in no way a fan of Manuel's big, grunting, sweaty, mumbling, hairy ass either, but I'd take a scene with him and Piper 100 times out of 100 over the clown she's with in her OF videos, that's for damn sure. And I would also take Piper over Kenzie that same amount of time. Sure, I do think Kenzie is more attractive, and she pretty much did anal from the start of her career (you know that's bonus points in my book lol), but when rating the performances of each one, Piper just feels more real to me. Kenzie is just a bunch of overexaggerated faces...



...that just take me out of the scene all together. And I know that looking for "realness" in porn is like rooting for one-legged man in an ass kicking contest, it just won't end well. But some performers are closer to it than others are.

And yeah, you're absolutely right. Performers' migration from mainstream studios to OF has to do with much more than money, (specifically doing WHAT they wanna do, WHEN they wanna do it, and with WHOM they wanna do it with). But I would argue although those factors play a big part, money is still king ding-a-ling when it comes to most performers there, and that OF story you told was clear evidence of that lol

Here's ANOTHER personal OF story that I was honestly too ashamed to admit earlier, but since it's fairly similar to yours, storytime it is. When I said earlier that I hadn't paid for porn in 12 years, that wasn't the whole truth. The truth is that streak was broken this year when I subbed to my 1st porn studio for $29 a month. A little pricey for sure, but they had 7 years worth of past videos to view, so it turned out to be worth every red cent. However, feeling invincible like Superman on crack after that purchase, I decided to actually sub to an OF performer. I had been watching her vids for years on Pornhub, but she would only upload 1-2min clips there, and I NEEDED to see the full versions of them, so I subbed to her page $20 a month. Now get this, not only could I barely find the longer versions of the videos I required, but of the ones I did find, they were only 3MINS LONG, which is obviously barely longer than the clips that I could see FOR FREE ALL ALONG O_O In fact, ALL her vids there were between 3-5 mins long. So feeling like I've been completely scammed, I comment to her something along the lines of "...WHY are you charging ppl $20 a month for mere CLIPS, when most of them are already on Pornhub for FREE?" Now get THIS, less than 5 mins after I posted that comment did she post 1 of her own "...Hey guys, I just wanted to announce that I'm raising the price here from $20 to $40! Thx for the support!" O_O Now...maybe she was just trolling me, but I doubt she would post that to her hundreds of subs if it weren't true, so long story short I IMMEDIATLEY canceled my OF subscription. And sure, I know I paid for a month worth of content, and I'm not getting my money back, but at that point I didn't care. She showed me who she really was and I didn't wanna see anything with her in it ever again. She could keep the 20 bucks. I'll just keep my dignity, which she clearly lost a long time ago. Fck her and fck Onlyfans lol

You're preaching to the choir, brother. I viscerally get and agree with you. I return to my final point which is, what's there to be done about it? Paying the performer more I don't think was ever the entirety of the issue. The other part of it is they get to film wherever they want with their loved one. You can't put a price on freedom and fucking a loved one for money. It really is cam models with a twist. Of course, then you have your experience of the "Lover" not being much of a lover, but I've seen Gabbi Carter's OF, and I was shocked at who she was in front of her boyfriend, and how absolutely vanilla it was, though I wonder why retrospectively.

Kenzie Reeves replaced Piper Perri, you could argue about whether her existence precipitated Perri's retirement, and then that's the last I heard of her.

https://pornez.net/watch/OnlyFans+Piper+Perri+Anal+/

I completely understand and empathize with your position. I think Tushy would have done an exponentially better job, and I'd have loved if nothing else, to hear her fans go insane about how it altered their lives. I don't just live for the porn. I also love hearing the fan appreciation for it. I was there when Peta Jensen retired and I saw how angry and, frankly, hurt the fans were over her leaving all of them, which is how it was characterized.

Here's an OF story. There was a performer who turned out to be half Japanese-Argentinian girl (tokyoarg or something) getting spit roasted by her boyfriend and another performer. I join her OF thinking I'd have the video in moments. Went through her feed, couldn't see head nor hide of it. PM'd her. She says that it'll cost $20, and at that point I was interviewing a lot of cam models so I asked a few questions. She said the two performers were professionals and her boyfriend didn't know about it. She said a longer interview would cost about $40. I suddenly realized that she was thinking of new and creative things to bill me for. It reminded me of cam couples who were drug addicts who turned everything, from getting naked to taking showers to peeing and clipping their nails, into something they could, possibly, monetize. I specifically remember a skinny white girl and a large cocked Asian guy, and I remember thinking about how it was like watching a slow motion car accident. Needless to say I never got the video, but I walked away with more info than I expected, and later I found most of it in bits on the internet. To clarify, I didn't get it bc I suddenly felt like I was just a wallet and I didn't like the feeling. I also felt that she was being too transparent.

Do you exist for anything but the money?
What will you pay me to answer that question?
Thanks, you've answered it already.

Speaking of pro studio porn, my fave of this year was a Tushy scene of Agatha Vega getting fucked by Manuel Ferrara on a terrace overlooking Paris. I'm not even a fan of Manuel anymore, but that scene has a grandness to it that can't be understated. And Agatha Vega isn't an amazing porn star, but, a. She's flat out gorgeous, and, b. She's definitely improving steadily. Or maybe it was Angell Summers coming back unexpectedly and doing an anal scene with one of the biggest dicks in Europe wearing a ventriloquist's dummy outfit.

My point about your point was never to insinuate that you didn't think performers should be well paid. I think Gia Derza is DOPE AF. She's official tissue. I also think she should be well compensated for her time. It's more of a rhetorical question, a thought experiment. To present it in a different light: Is there a middle ground between the economic imperatives that have people cam modeling in the primary and the millionaires that are made doing almost nothing?

I can say as a consumer that the Piper Perri story is disheartening but typical of OF. For every fan like you there are 10 sycophants that say you should be lucky you get anything at all. They're the ones paying for used panties and custom videos and offering to fly her out to where they are, "Just to hang out." They're the one's spoiling the models by, "Paying for them to have a nice night out on the town," and shockingly, the performers become normalized to this behavior so they can't fit in the studio system anymore. They're too fancy for Paris without paid lunch and dinner and touch ups when she smudges her make up. They become divas. It's not like they didn't control everything anyway, but to leap from there is a leap too far. More money plus more pampering plus more tip toeing around them unless you upset them. I see the complexity of the studio position. And they very well might be getting what they deserve, bc Brazzers for ex. got Daftsex and Artsporn taken down and they argued in court that those were viewers who would have signed up for their site. I think they're smoking fairy dust and that the people getting free 720p porn from there would simply migrate to porntrex and eporner like respectable perverts, and there you have it. The performers get the shortest end of the stick. The consumers get away with bloody murder. And the companies make out somewhere closer to the consumers.

@zenbud2

All great points. And let me be clear, my issue isn't that performers on OF are getting paid a ton of money. My favorite performer right now is Gia Derza and I WANT her to make money. Hell, I want her to make ALL the money. I want all of my favorite performers to be well compensated so that they do porn not because they have to in order to keep the lights on, but because they truly enjoy doing it. And that's one of the good things about OF, the fact that they are finally making the bank they deserve, so it's in no way all bad. I just wish there was a happy medium between the good and the bad, because there's farrrrrr more bad. Here's a PERSONAL story about OF. 4 years back Piper Perri was my favorite performer, but you know my anal rule. lol She had been in the game 4 years at that point and still no anal, so I was getting bored with her scenes. But then she started using buttplugs in a few recent ones, and I no doubt felt a full anal scene was in the works....but then she abruptly retired O_O In 2020 I heard rumors she had returned and scoured the internet for even a hint of proof...and I found it. Not only was she back, but she had done her 1st anal scene O_O I gleefully watched with tears in my eyes, and was greatly disappointed in what I saw. It was a video from her OF, so you already know what the quality was like. Shot from her phone in vertical resolution, and was barely 9mins long, which of course is the typical OF video. The scene that I waited what felt life a lifetime for was dogshit. Say what you will about what studio porn looks like, but when a site like Tushy wants to make a performer's 1st anal scene feel special, they go far and beyond in order to do it. Imagine if there was no OF, and Piper returned to mainstream porn and had her 1st anal scene with them. It would have been a 5 star production, well over 2 hours long, with a story written around her, shot in the most exotic locations all over the world, featuring the best male talent in the industry. But what did we get instead? A 9min video shot in a hotel room on her phone, by a dude who clearly couldn't bang his way out of a paper bag. Yes, my hated for OF is VERY personal at this point. lol

As for solutions, I have no clue what can be done. Maybe the porn studios actually pay their performers the wages they deserve to keep them from leaving for a site like OF? But of course they would say that the massive amount of free porn is what's keeping their profits down and thus prevents them from paying their performers higher wages. In a way, I see their point, because I myself haven't paid for porn in over 12 years, but let's look at Hollywood in comparison. Their movies get bootlegged to holy hell as well, (I haven't paid to see a mainstream movie in that same amount of time), but they still have the funds to pay The Rock 25mil per film, don't they? And I get that no porn performer is worth 25mil per scene, but they are definitely worth more than what the studios are paying them. Not to mention the porn studios THEMSELVES are raking in tons of cash by uploading their own scenes to free sites like Pornhub and Xvideos, so are they giving a cut of that money to the performers that are racking up the views FOR them? I think not. Half of the time they don't even tag the performer's name in the damn video, and I gotta go on a Lord of the Rings level adventure with Hobbits and shit by my side just to find it out myself (thank goodness for THIS website lol). So maybe the porn studios are getting what they deserve by being upstaged by OF? O_o

I did more research, and you're right. August Ames never did anal. Which is funny, bc I misremember her last being with Mike Adriano. This is why eye witness testimony gets thrown out of court. Anyway, wrong though my assertion was, instrumentally my point remains. I placed her in the, "stopped doing or never did anal" category.

I agree that the hardest working performers modern day are cam girls. Yes, I think the message sent by the former Disney star was hugely harmful to not only young women, but performers generally.

And I take your point that OF encourages the least amount of work for the most amount of return. But that's capitalism, baby. I'm not sure I can give a full throated denial of capitalism when that's the foundation society is built on. She leveraged her childhood fame to arouse interest and then left her audience high and dry. It WAS a good correction, bc before her their was an unlimited amount of $ you could pay a performer at a time, and this forced them to cap how much money you could give at once in case the performer didn't do what was agreed upon. Even if they DID do what was agreed upon, there's something inherently predatory about $2K for a sex video that they're going to release to the public for $19.95 in a few months.

The second paywall is, again, bodily autonomy and capitalism. Why would I have you pay once when I know that you paying once can be a foot in the door to getting you to pay even more? This is cam sites again, actually, just personalized.

Cam models are the least paid and the best performers, but I would LOVE for the best performers to get more $ EVEN IF it led to less desperately passionate displays of sexual lust. Their has to be some middle ground between being paid pennies an hour for godlike performances and being paid thousands an hour for cheeky bikini flashes like those Korean girls seem to be so fond of.

I agree that there's something grand about studios, but I also think that there's something derivative about how most porn looks. There's the Brazzers look, the Blacked/Tushy look, and the Mike Adriano 1.4 inches away from the action look, and I've gotten sick of most of them years ago. Occasionally you'll get a Leah Gotti for Colette scene, but even that scene is about 5 years old at this point.

On the other hand, OF is lazy AF. I've never seen so many people camera phone filming while they should have been fucking before, and it's distracting if nothing else. And yet, occasionally you see something you'd never see in the studio system. Some sweaty, dirty bit of footage that gets captured randomly.

OF is definitely bad, there's no denying it. In fact, you've made several great arguments about why they're so bad. But I'm at a loss when it comes to actual solutions. This is the new standard. The 17 yo's who will be the barely 18 "stars" of 2023 are looking at the money they can (possibly) make doing OF, and it is answered before it's asked. It's a foregone conclusion where they'll be going, and there isn't a palatable alternative being offered. Maybe Tik Tok? Do you want to make a bet about which will be more harmful in a decade? I think TIK TOK is the devil from an attentional/focus perspective.

And I liked Jenna Jameson. I just think she suffered from Angela White Syndrome. She's was bird shit. She was everywhere, and if you DIDN'T want to see her there was nowhere you could consume porn where she wouldn't be. I personally fucked with Asia Carrera more, Sylvia Saint was my spirit animal, but Jenna wasn't unimportant. She was obviously the most popular performer of the decade, and she was an AMAZING performer. I read that thread about the best decade of porn, and to your point, modern day she'd be standard. Eliza Ibarra was actually a model and thought that she had more control over being famous as a porn star. And with her sloppy, spitty, effortless deep throating, I'd have to agree with her. She's Eden Sin with extras.

@zenbud2

Wow, you really went in lol I agree with many of your points, but I do have a few counter points:

I never said that a porn star won't make it if they never do anal. I just say their career won't nearly be as fresh if they don't. And for the record, I do consider deep ass licking, anal fingering, and anal toys to be doing anal, so the performers I'm talking about are the ones who don't want their asses touched, don't want their asses licked, and hell, don't even want their asses LOOKED AT. I can't think of a single pornstar who was that uptight and still had a long fresh career. As for August Ames, I think you might be mistaking her for someone else. She never had an anal scene before (outside licking, fingering, and toys), so I don't know what you mean by she stopped doing it. But had her life not ended tragically, I do think she would have eventually done it.

I don't think we can compare cam girls to Onlyfans girls in any way. Sure, they're origins may have been similar, but some of the best porn scenes I've seen all year were from cam girls. I don't know if there's anyone who says the best porn scene that they saw all year was uploaded to ONLYFANS and that's problem with it. It's a site where
OF performers (and I use that term VERY loosely) can do the LEAST and get the MOST MONEY in return. You mentioned the Disney star who got on there and made millions without even needing to show a NIPPLE in return, and you don't think that's bad for the porn industry? I recently made a thread ranking the best porn eras...

Let's RANK the Porn Eras (1970s-2020s) What's YOUR Favorite..

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3

8

1 year ago

...and in it I mentioned how great the 90s were for porn. And one reason was because the women wanted to be the BEST during that decade. They took pride in their work and dished out great high quality content. I thought Jenna Jameson was highly overrated in her era, but say what you will about her, whenever she was on camera she gave you your money's worth, and that's why she was a star. But today it's just the opposite. There's no pride coming from OF performers, because they know a 15sec video of them in bikini on OF will make them far more money than doing a 1hour 30-man anal gangbang scene for Brazzers would. And again, that's great...for HER. Not so great for the consumer paying $40 a month for that 15sec video.

You don't NEED to do anything, but you're oddly specific on anal. On one hand, porn stars won't make it if they don't do it. This is factually incorrect. August Ames, for ex., decided to stop doing anal and everyone was glad she still was in the business. I'm sure she's not the only woman who's either not done it or done it and decided publicly to stop doing it. It comes down to bodily autonomy, ultimately. You either believe ppl have it or not. You clearly are in the "not" category.

When the pendulum swings, you're complaining about anal gaping. Mate. You're Goldy Locks screaming when the porridge is too hot, pouting when it is too cold, and eventually finding the right temperature and falling asleep on the bear's bed that's the right firmness as well. This is every person who watches porn. They say, "Wow, that's too X for me. I'm out." "Er, getting closer, but I don't like her X." "Eh, this is as good a place to start as any, and I think I see what I'm finishing on at the bottom of the selection tab." But what if it isn't good enough? That's the mental gymnastics necessary for edging.

Yes, sometimes the guy talks too much. This one time it was a big dicked black guy (dreads, tons of tats) fucking a white girl and he kept staring at the camera. Then he starts throwing up gang signs and flexing his biceps and I thought, "Are you actually kidding?" And he was a fantastic performer. I had to turn it off because he kept eye fucking me. I saw him again, watched for a bit again, and had to stop, again, bc he was so distracting. I'm still not sure why he needs to eye fuck the camera. One girl was trying to be playful and says he should work for Blacked and he genuinely looked confused. But I just walked away. In the endless sea of porn this was but a slight interruption. But most annoying performer in about 6 years or so, for sure, maybe the decade.

According to you, we're in a horn of plenty selection-wise, and while saying that you're also saying that OF will ruin the industry and feet need to stop being seen as well. Feet is another bodily autonomy issue and so is choosing to use OF or not. You have no control over any of it. I can't for SURE call BS about 40% of your feed being feet related, but 40% of my feed on Artsporn was gay porn as of Jan, I thought it was trolling (and therefore funny) at first, so maybe it was. I stopped using the site unless I had a specific porn I was looking to download and then it and Daftsex got shut down. I would skip over those videos while rolling my eyes if I was being dramatic, and I'm SURE I missed good scenes bc they were snuggled next to twinks staring at monster cock and giving the August Ames surprise face and "Dudes with their legs back." I would have KILLED for my issue this year to be too many dirty feet videos.

You completely forget about cam girls/couples, which is where OF started. I'm sure Covid and following trends (When Bhad Bhabie made millions in hours ppl noticed. Then a former Disney star did it and ruined it for everyone. But they still hold out hope for being able to live off of their hotness. This is cam girls with a brighter star. Cam girls don't dream of becoming millionaires overnight) played a part as well, but now it's part of the zeitgeist.

I don't understand how OF is such a bad thing from a porn consumption perspective. From a societal ill, what it says about "modern women," or family, a conservation of American values, sure. But from an availability, of seeing someone in a different city naked, perspective? Has their EVER been a time like now? I'm not heralding OF but I also don't see it as an unalloyed evil or something that came out of nowhere.

Complaints that have nothing to do with bodily autonomy:

1. The ENDLESS regression of porn that is reuploaded with more and more advertising attached to it. The cringy intro, the interrupting, "Don't jerk off to porn. Come to this," "This is Brenda. I met her at...", The ending being cut off early so they can show the site where you can see the cum shot.

2. Censored porn. It's almost 2023 and we still don't have consistent decensored Japanese/Chinese porn. This is a porn travesty. We have AI enhanced, reinterpolated porn from as far back as the 60's, but we don't have the hottest, latest Japanese porn decensored? This world just ain't right.

I saw a Japanese girl and I suddenly noticed how fat her pussy was. I thought, "I've seen this girl at least 20 times before." But I'd never seen her pussy. Japanese porn ends up confusing whether you'd actually want to have sex with a woman by obscuring her sexual characteristics. There are some performers who have horrid looking vaginas in most porn and you choose not to watch them. In Japanese porn, you have no idea if she has a fat pussy or the skinniest, sickliest sliver you've ever seen. You have no idea how deeply she's sucking a dick. You have no idea how wet she's getting. I could go on ad infinitum but you get the idea. You don't know anything other than she has a nice ass and a cute face, the same info you have about any random girl in the street. I expect more from porn, and in fact, they actually got naked and went after it.

3. Sharon Lee had a 3 way blowjob scene for Rocco Siffredi (he didn't participate) and that's the first time I noticed she has a heart for an ass. It defies gravity. I've never seen it before or since, as though she grew it for that scene and soon afterwards retired. I wanted more of that ass prominently displayed.

4. Compilation videos. I have no idea why the editors think that they know what I'll like, but they're wrong 100% of the time.

@gricnime
@WorldsBestPorn
I might give it a try, thanks.

#5 Forgot to add this. I hate when shemales get fucked, sucked and all but still can't get it up. But of course they still moan like there's no tomorrow.

@WorldsBestPorn yeah bro, I agree with 1 and 5.

simp for OF. guys should stop shaming women or feel insecure about them doing OF but also girls on some OF are straight up scammers. they lead on potential subscribers but disappoint. ironically the same girls speak out when they cause issues themselves. that said there are some very good OF out there who do not lie about their content. I personally dont pay for OF, I just look on reddit

number 5 its like OF, if they dont provide theres plenty of other porn out there. if they dont do anal, other performers will

basically I try not to be annoyed by porn. if something annoys me I try to aboid it as much as possible and only search what I like