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i honestly will never understand how this site can tolerate people who post the same answer and even reward them for that. re-posting the same answer should not be rewarded with points. i didnt get points for roughly 30% of my answers, because a few hours, days or even months later, someone re-posted the same answer and got a confirmation, because people dont scroll down to look if the answer was already given. they simply assume that it has not been solved yet and just confirm the first answer they can find. no idea why this site doesnt sort the answers top (oldest) to bottom (newest). this would solve a lot of problems. but in its current state, the point system is totally useless. this site should reward us and motivate us to solve posts. but instead we get punished for being the first ones to post the correct answer. its better to simply wait for someone else to post the answer and re-post it a few days later. the lack of proper automation makes point stealing pretty easy. i also have no idea why we are even allowed to post the same name in the first place. why doesnt the site check if the name you are trying to submit was already posted? it could give us a notification that you cant post the same name and prompt us to confirm the answer instead. i find myself visiting this site less and less for obvious reasons. if things dont change, i will quit using this site for good.
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#558989
OP
true, it could get pretty slow. its mostly a matter of resources and code optimization though. but i understand that you guys dont have the budget of google or microsoft.

the partial answer warning for "where can i find this video" threads is a really good thing. maybe you could add the same warning for "name of this pornstar" threads, when someone forgets to use tags. although it would be better if that warning would appear before you actually post something. (if its not working like that already. cant remember.)

the point splitting sounds good too, but i think half is a bit too much. sometimes the porn star is really well known, but the video is really hard to find. if the reward for just the name is too high, this could be abused pretty easily. maybe 20-30% would be more suitable for that.

like i suggested earlier, you could compare the tags that the user wants to post, with the tags that have already been posted in the thread. that shouldnt cost much cpu time, since threads are usually short and only contain a few tags. i still think that a notification in such case would be a good thing. in the end everyone will and should do what they want to do, but stuff like that would help us be more aware of what is going on in the thread, before we blindly post something.

i also think that solving a thread early and quickly should be rewarded with more points. i rarely see high lvl users even trying to help with anything that has less than 500-600 points. maybe you could also add some sort of achievments / medals in the distant future, that could be put to display next to your name or whatever. you could get rewarded for solving x posts that arent older than y. or x posts that are hard to solve and so on. people do like acknowledgement after all.
#557953
The known pornstars name detection has been live-trialed, but it is way too slow and the pornstar index is fully automatic at the moment.

I think, that best solution would be partial credit points for original name-tag. So the if nametags are provided, but for example video is not. Then the award goes splits. That is doable. But first the natural solve ratio has to go higher.
#557455
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@Operator
like i said multiple times already, this is not specifically a "where can i find this video" problem. point stealing mostly happens with "name of this porn actress" threads, where partial answers dont really exist. often this happens simply because of the order of the posts. reversing it, would solve a lot of "confusion" by default. for non-moderators at least.

if you dont want to block double tags, you should really consider adding automatic tags when a known porn star name was found in the text. and when someone wants to re-post the same name, a simple notifaction that the name was already posted before, would be great. that way the user could choose to confirm the already existing name, or ignore it and post it anyway. i dont think that most users double post on purpose though. i think they simply dont bother to scroll down and see if the thread has already been answered. all they see is that the thread wasnt marked as solved yet and they post their answer right away, without ever checking any of the previous answers. an actual message that notifies the user about an already existing name in that thread, would drastically decrease the amount of double posts in my opinion.

i do appreciate your guys efforts and looking into this issue however. if i didnt like this site in general, i wouldnt have bothered creating a thread like this. i think that this site has the potential of becoming something really great. currently, solving a post often feels like a total waste of time. i hope you will improve the whole point and solving system, so that helping others feels more rewarding in the future.
#557438
another user who only asks but never accept answers is@caoz123
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Anonymous troll
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#556572
I have noticed that user@multiacervo asks 50 questions a day and NEVER mark anything correct. Only asks more and more and more.
So for now on I will not answer his questions anymore
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Anonymous troll
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#556180
We are addressing all issues. Just not at once. Also some of the issues are tied behind others. So most of the times development takes place on background processes, that will never be shown.

Same tag blocking is not a solution. The UI was designed so the answers would not get lost. That is not the issue at this point. This is what Im trying to say all this time. The issue, is that OP either doesn't come back or doesn't care or doesn't know what to do. A very high % of accepts are given out by moderating staff, they do not have the same order in moderation panel. The order is kept with algorithm that tries to evaluate the answers quality.

As I said, the order is not at fault here, the moderator manually selected the other answers because yours were partial. You can argue against it, but if 99.99% other users post video for "where is the video" questions, then obviously moderator is going to mark it as partial.

We are working hard on the quality of the content right now. I cannot go into details here, but I hope there is going to be a development board, limited for users who wish to take part. I hope its matter of a week till its up.
#550911
OP
@lurker
in an earlier post i already suggested some sort of assist feature, where additional info like video links and aliases could get rewarded and automatically pinned under the correct answer. i also asked why we even have to add tags manaually. especially new users have no idea how this works and in todays day and age, tags could be added automatically when a known pornstar name was found. if the pornstar name doesnt exist in the database yet, the site could prompt you to suggest a tag manually.

@Operator
i never said you guys dont work on updates at all. i am just talking about one particular flaw of this site, you dont seem to have addressed as of yet. why you see this as a rant is beyond me. people respond to me and i respond back. thats how communication and problem solving works. anyone is free to bring in ideas on how to tackle this issue. thats the whole point of this thread. more and more people join this discussion and more and more people agree with me. eventually we will find a solution. so no idea why constructive criticism is bothering you so much. besides, tag blocking was just one of the many solutions i proposed.

you did have me laugh at the attention seeking part though. what kind of attention do i get for adressing a huge flaw in your system that discourages many users from contributing? i have been a user on this site for roughly 2 years now. i solved many posts. i confirmed many posts. i reported a lot of spam. i told many beginners to use tags and i never re-posted an answer in hope to steal points. i dont need no attention buddy. i never expected anyone to pat me on the back. i simply did all of this, because its the right thing to do. allowing people to steal points, is not.

and btw, on professional programing websites, you cant even ask the same or too similar question. the website simply redirects you to the already given answers. stackoverflow also uses the top (oldest) to bottom (newest) sorting order, which solves a lot of problems by default. ok they also take into account the amount of upvotes and downvotes, but whatever. they still manage to pin the correct answer on top and that layout is exactly what i have been suggesting the whole time.
#550532
Its like talking to a wall here. We are working hard on updates, things don't happen overnight. You say you understand, but keep on ranting. And I did make it clear: blocking users using same name tags is beyond stupid and will never be implemented. Its like stackoverflow would start blocking off comments, using the same commands.

We get good feedback, privately, politely on our email. This is clearly some attention seeking rant thread, which will never produce anything constructive.
#550466
@xjunox
Yeah,the idea of blocking multiple identical tags sounds good, but how about:

1. OP asks for a video, the first answer contains tags but no video link. The second answer is the link, but tags are blocked. Currently this kind of answer is (most often) unacceptable. Technically, neither of answers is given correctly...

2. The Newbie gives an untagged answer. The Second Guy gives tagged answer. The Good Third Guy suggests using tags to The Newbie. Edited first answer has tags locked, The Newbie gets no points and kills himself.

Then again I don't know anything about making websites, maybe there is a smart way to solve thiese kinds of problems.
#550446
The system of points doesn't work and I think often not to participate anymore because most of my answers are never confirmed.
I understand that no-one wants to do the job to confirm an answer ... we should therefore find some other sort of system.
And they are all the posts which are at "bounty questions" which have been answered a long time ago confirmed by many of us but they are still there ... the system doesn't work.
#550395
OP
@lurker
i dont care about getting points. i care about others NOT getting points, because they re-post my answers. thats my issue with all of this. i put time and effort into helping someone, then some douchbag simply re-posts my answer and gets all the credit. those are the ones that have a real hard-on for points and i dont want them to get any, if they werent the ones who initially posted the correct answer.

yes, mods are only humans and humans do make mistakes. but thats the whole point of this discussion. if this site had proper automation and some basic features, then manually marking a thread as solved shouldnt be needed any longer. if for example 3 users confirm a post, why doesnt the thread automatically get marked as solved?

oh and @Operator, this is not a rant. a rant would be "you all suck. fix your shitty page!", but im actually giving you a lot of constructive criticism and offer multiple solutions free of charge.
#550284
@xjunox

AFAIK the answers are accepted by mods. They are people who make mistakes, like accepting an answer which shouldn't be accepted.

But my question is: why do you care about points? You are level 9, you got the final achievement which is ability to confirm answer as correct. There's nothing more, so why all the anger. Do you really need to be in the top 10 for april?

I think the purpose of this wbsite is just to have fun. It's never gonna be a real database of links to pirated videos, they die too fast. Today's correct answer may be irrelevant tomorrow.

I honestly don't understand why people are arguing about some points. And yet it happens all the time.
#550266
OP
@Operator
"User4 will not get the accept. Nobody will, because there is not enough grounds for accepting that poor quality answer as correct."

- and yet i see it happen all the time.

"Developing this site is a large operation and improvements don't just happen magically when you make a long rant-post about."

- no one expects this to happen over night. the issue is that you clearly said that it wont happen at all.

"Your suggested block on repeat name tags is a good example of bad software design."

- luckily im a programer with 15 years of experience and am very familiar with good software design. i noticed however that people who only have to deal with php-like languages and mysql-like databases tend to solve their problems in a very bad and inefficient way. but this issue has actually nothing to do with programing, but with the lack of common sense.

"This thread is unconstructive"

- its super constructive actually. my company pays a shitload of money to be able to get this kind of feedback. and you get it for free. you are welcome.

"and starting to become very annoying for others.

- you mean its starting to become very annoying to you, since im getting more and more upvotes?

"I recommend to stop this imminently!"

- remember the thing you said earlier? free speech. god bless.
#550202
Saying nothing will change is incorrect. We just now implemented a feature, that will tell you if the answer is partial.

User4 will not get the accept. Nobody will, because there is not enough grounds for accepting that poor quality answer as correct. Moderation panel doesn't have the same comment order as normal posts.

We are working hard to deliver better content quality and user experience on minute by minute basis. Developing this site is a large operation and improvements don't just happen magically when you make a long rant-post about.

Sometimes there can be multiple answers to one problem. Your suggested block on repeat name tags is a good example of bad software design.

This thread is unconstructive and starting to become very annoying for others. I recommend to stop this imminently!
#550191
OP
@Operator
no, you are the one who doesnt understand. this has nothing to do with video requests. this is a general problem. so stop refering to that partially answered bullshit excuse. when OP asks "whats the name of this porn star?", the answers will look like following:

User4: Jenna Jameson

User3: jenna jameson (no tags)

User2: Jenna Jameson

User1: Jenna Jameson

and guess who will get the points? yep, User4, who posted x months later. no one bothers to scroll down and look if there is already a correct answer.

are you honestly telling me that allowing 4 posts of the same tag is considered to be an increase in quality? what a joke. how does that help the overview of a thread? people spam a thread, only to get a chance to steal points. they dont give two shits about the quality of the thread. if someone doesnt have anything useful to add to the thread, then he shouldnt post at all. allowing reposts of an already posted answer is by far the stupidest thing that i saw since 2003. every other site on the internet considers this to be spam and actually punishes users for that. you basically encourage it. quantity over quality. and the most shocking part is, that you, a staff member, doesnt see anything wrong with this.

funny enough, after your last response, i had to think about the steve jobs quote "the only ship that leaks from the top". so thanks for convincing me that nothing will ever change and that i shouldnt waste my time on this site any longer. but let me tell you, more and more users will get really pissed about this issue and one day, your site will only consist of few lvl100 douchebags and anonymous trolls, since you made it pretty clear that its not worth the effort to level up on this site.
#550163
There are certain things that I see. When I first came to this site it was pretty easy to level up. Everyone was nice and I learned how to tag names in my answers. I also learned that if answers weren't tagged or if they were partial and didn't fully answer the question you could steal points. Now that I've reached the threshold it's became harder for me to level up. The higher levels don't want to help the lower levels and the lower levels don't want to help the higher levels which doesn't help us achieve anything. Don't get me wrong this is probably the best namethatporn forum in terms of the layout and the fact that the community isn't dead but I have about 90 correct answers that've been answered fully and only 50 that have been MARKED as correct. So that's about 45% of my answers that I have not recieved the points for since you don't get points for receiving confirms. Keep in mind some of these answers are from questions that are months or years old and worth 100-700 points. I do agree that the site needs a new way to implement the points system. I don't want to wait months for points that I should already have. I scroll through year old questions all the time and there are people who experience this problem as well. I try to confirm as many of the older post answers as possible so the lower levels can level up as well. And most of my confirms do lead to their answers being marked as correct. And I see other people doing this too. And there are still anonymous answers that get confirmed. I don't confirm anonymous answers since its throwing away points I just repost the answer as my own. But we need more people to do this as well to make the system better.
#550131
@Operator When we do get the points from anonymous posts? I have answered the questions, got confirm from other users and stuck in limbo. Please consider to finalize my posts in the favorities section. There are 10 posts are waiting to be happy.
#550123
You still don't understand. The order doesn't matter. Moderator checked your answer, clicked on marked as seen and moved on. Regardless of where it would have been sitting on the page, it would have not been accepted as correct because it was PARTIAL.

And forcing others to use no name tags. Its honestly beyond me. It is by far the most stupid suggestion Ive gotten since 2013.
#550067
I agree with you that the first correct answer should get the points but only when it provides the answer the op asked for and when it is formatted correctly.

I see a lot of older users helping the new ones with telling them to tag their answers and where they can find more info about it. every new user should be helped at first so they stay on this site.
#550050
OP
1.) i usually do, in this case i didnt bother cause i was very busy and short on time. either way, that thread has nothing to do with the initial issue.

2.) the question is "where can i find this video?" and the answer "x-art karina white love to love you" answers that question. the question is not "can i haz link to an illegal video so i dont have to visit x-art and pay for it?".

3.) im not going to check the content of an internal and valid and as solved marked ntp post, that is used as reference to prove that the actress name and/or video match. besides, how do you know the video link was not working when i posted that answer? maybe i did check it for once and it did work.

it bothers me because every day i see this happening. not just with me, but a lot of users here. especially the low level ones (even lower than me). constantly seeing how lvl 8 users are trying to fuck over lvl 4 users, until a lvl 40 user shows up and fucks everyone over. my strong sense of justice tells me that this is not right and that the lvl 4 user should get the points.

you are right, this site is about helping others. so why does it reward people who are only helping themselves? constantly pulling off some dick moves like that. first comes first. the first correct answer should count, not the last answer that was posted x months later. and like i said earlier, this isnt even about video requests. a lot of requests are simply about names and people literally just write the very same tag, without any extra info and get the confirmation, instead the user who posted the correct answer before him. sorry but thats is just ridiculous.
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